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		<title>By: the fly in the web</title>
		<link>http://correresmidestino.com/nightmarish-bureaucracy/comment-page-4/#comment-14647</link>
		<dc:creator>the fly in the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when, eager to re-enter education in France, I went to the local university to see what was on offer. They turned up their nose at my U.K. degree, wanted me to start the whole mess over again starting from year one general studies and kindly allowed me to sit in on a lecture which was, from a U.K. perpective, a farce! What they didn&#039;t do was to see if I spoke, wrote and read French.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when, eager to re-enter education in France, I went to the local university to see what was on offer. They turned up their nose at my U.K. degree, wanted me to start the whole mess over again starting from year one general studies and kindly allowed me to sit in on a lecture which was, from a U.K. perpective, a farce! What they didn’t do was to see if I spoke, wrote and read French.</p>
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		<title>By: The Feel Good Contest &#124; Correr Es Mi Destino</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Feel Good Contest &#124; Correr Es Mi Destino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attending classes at university and it takes all my energy&#8230; but I still don&#8217;t know if my French degrees will be recognized &#8212; I&#8217;m hoping I&#8217;m not doing that for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] attending classes at university and it takes all my energy… but I still don’t know if my French degrees will be recognized — I’m hoping I’m not doing that for […]</p>
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		<title>By: Max Coutinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Coutinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Zhu,

First, I just realised I made a mistake in my comment: I asked why you need to prove you are French; when I wanted to ask why you need to prove you SPEAK French *nodding*...I am getting old LOL ;)...

You are right: TOEFL is a huge business! But it is not alone, now you have also the British Council&#039;s IELTS (however it is more beneficial than TOEFL because with this certificate you can present it when applying for a job [to prove your proficiency in English]). 

Here in Portugal, many hated it too (but I personally, loved it because the old system was a complete waste of time...with this one you can get a part-time job while studying at the same time, it has less subjects [we used to have 16 subjects per year - it was crazy] and it is more specific).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Zhu,</p>
<p>First, I just realised I made a mistake in my comment: I asked why you need to prove you are French; when I wanted to ask why you need to prove you SPEAK French *nodding*…I am getting old LOL <img src='http://correresmidestino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> …</p>
<p>You are right: TOEFL is a huge business! But it is not alone, now you have also the British Council’s IELTS (however it is more beneficial than TOEFL because with this certificate you can present it when applying for a job [to prove your proficiency in English]). </p>
<p>Here in Portugal, many hated it too (but I personally, loved it because the old system was a complete waste of time…with this one you can get a part-time job while studying at the same time, it has less subjects [we used to have 16 subjects per year — it was crazy] and it is more specific).</p>
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		<title>By: Zhu</title>
		<link>http://correresmidestino.com/nightmarish-bureaucracy/comment-page-4/#comment-14118</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Seb - No no, I still can&#039;t take classes! But after ranting, I felt better already. I see stars and bears ;-)

@Spyder -Isn&#039;t it!

@Linguist-in-Waiting -  I&#039;m sure you can feel my frustration, as a student yourself! As of today, my situation is still stuck... but I&#039;m keeping fingers crossed. I&#039;m sure the teachers are fine, this is just plain old stupid bureaucracy!

@Max Coutinho - That is so stupid -- I mean, you obviously speak English fluently, studied the language officially at university, and still had to take the test??? Wow, TOEFL is a big business...

Yes, the famous university reform. Some loved it, some hated it... I can&#039;t say it went smoothly at my former university, because it was a &quot;grande école&quot; (like sciences-po) and had its own weird system. Maybe on the long run...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Seb — No no, I still can’t take classes! But after ranting, I felt better already. I see stars and bears <img src='http://correresmidestino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Spyder –Isn’t it!</p>
<p>@Linguist-in-Waiting —  I’m sure you can feel my frustration, as a student yourself! As of today, my situation is still stuck… but I’m keeping fingers crossed. I’m sure the teachers are fine, this is just plain old stupid bureaucracy!</p>
<p>@Max Coutinho — That is so stupid — I mean, you obviously speak English fluently, studied the language officially at university, and still had to take the test??? Wow, TOEFL is a big business…</p>
<p>Yes, the famous university reform. Some loved it, some hated it… I can’t say it went smoothly at my former university, because it was a “grande école” (like sciences-po) and had its own weird system. Maybe on the long run…</p>
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		<title>By: Max Coutinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Coutinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Zhu,

Congrats on your TOEFL grades: very good - we hadn&#039;t noticed you knew how to speak English LOL ;)!
I studied in an University that lectured classes in English (in Lisbon), and when I expressed the wish to take a summer course at a university in London, I also had to take an English proficiency test...oh well...

Girl, Europe has reformed its entire educational system in 2006...now we are all under the Bologna Treaty (3 years undergraduate, 2 years Masters)...most people had to start from scratch, go figure. 

Yeah, on this side of the world, all we need to do is to register, pay and that is it. In North America they can decline your application: wow. 

What? But you are French...so why do you have to proof you are French?
Anyway, TOEFL is very incompetent in Canada, isn&#039;t it? I am shocked!

&quot;I  was so frustrated I almost bought every chocolate I could find on the way home.&quot; - LOL LOL LOL oh, you are one of those.... lol ;)

&quot;“Your fault, you should have applied earlier“.&quot; - oh my God!!! You did apply earlier...but TOEFL kept re-scheduling it *nodding*! Incompetence!

Girl, I wish you all the luck in the world: do not quit!!! Ok? :)
I am rooting for you!

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Zhu,</p>
<p>Congrats on your TOEFL grades: very good — we hadn’t noticed you knew how to speak English LOL <img src='http://correresmidestino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> !<br />
I studied in an University that lectured classes in English (in Lisbon), and when I expressed the wish to take a summer course at a university in London, I also had to take an English proficiency test…oh well…</p>
<p>Girl, Europe has reformed its entire educational system in 2006…now we are all under the Bologna Treaty (3 years undergraduate, 2 years Masters)…most people had to start from scratch, go figure. </p>
<p>Yeah, on this side of the world, all we need to do is to register, pay and that is it. In North America they can decline your application: wow. </p>
<p>What? But you are French…so why do you have to proof you are French?<br />
Anyway, TOEFL is very incompetent in Canada, isn’t it? I am shocked!</p>
<p>“I  was so frustrated I almost bought every chocolate I could find on the way home.” — LOL LOL LOL oh, you are one of those.… lol <img src='http://correresmidestino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>““Your fault, you should have applied earlier“.” — oh my God!!! You did apply earlier…but TOEFL kept re-scheduling it *nodding*! Incompetence!</p>
<p>Girl, I wish you all the luck in the world: do not quit!!! Ok? <img src='http://correresmidestino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I am rooting for you!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Linguist-in-Waiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linguist-in-Waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. While reading this, I myself feel pained. You have wasted a year&#039;s worth of time, trying to register for a simple degree. I find it annoying and bizarre at the same time that institutions such as a university can be so complicated, when they are sure signs of human social progress. It&#039;s like each of the university&#039;s parts aren&#039;t talking to each other. I hope you don&#039;t get discouraged by all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. While reading this, I myself feel pained. You have wasted a year’s worth of time, trying to register for a simple degree. I find it annoying and bizarre at the same time that institutions such as a university can be so complicated, when they are sure signs of human social progress. It’s like each of the university’s parts aren’t talking to each other. I hope you don’t get discouraged by all this.</p>
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		<title>By: Spyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That&#039;s very discouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That’s very discouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: Seb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this because you want to learn. Argh!!! Well, at least you got lots of chocolate to make up for your sadness.

And I&#039;m happy to hear you are now able to take classes and were approved. Bureaucracies are funny in theory, until you have to deal with them in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this because you want to learn. Argh!!! Well, at least you got lots of chocolate to make up for your sadness.</p>
<p>And I’m happy to hear you are now able to take classes and were approved. Bureaucracies are funny in theory, until you have to deal with them in person.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Guillermo - Maybe it is actually! :lol: Well, that would explain the non-sense.

@Beth - I did try to bypass the first level employees (who seem to be students to me) and see the supervisor, but no luck so far. I talk to a few teachers and even they acknowledged the non-sense, but couldn&#039;t do much to help, even after a few phone calls... because they were stuck administratively too. 

@CM-Chap - I feel sorry for your friends, if I&#039;m asked to start from scratch, I won&#039;t go. I can&#039;t financially anyway. 

@Final_Transit - THank you for your feedback! For the TOEFL, I spoke to a very nice Indian student last year (he saw me smoking like crazing outside the uni. and came to me to ask what was wrong!). He told me he was asked the TOEFL and argued with the university (he spoke perfect English and had a Master) to not take it... and he was successful. 

Now I don&#039;t care because I did pass the TOEFL, I just wish they would realize that!

My French degrees are quite unique because I studied Chinese and Asian civilizations... even though it encompasses a lot of other classes, such as economy, history etc. the university is quite puzzled with them. I do hope I can get some credits!

@Bluefish - Thank you! Oui c&#039;est... fucké? ;-)

@Khengsiong - I heard American uni. are very very picky. Which I find is a paradox, because considering most tuition fees... I mean, financially speaking I&#039;m sure a lot of people can&#039;t even afford to go!

I think only North American universities have these kind of services, like official transcript, graduation ceremonies etc. They should be used to the fact we don&#039;t!

@the writer - Oh yeah, and I had a lot of experience with that in France... unfortunately! 

@beaverboosh - Merci! Did you go to university in Ottawa by any chance?

@Jennie - The TOEFL is a really stupid test. Lots of headache for... nothing. But TOEFL is a big business, the test is expensive, the books are expensive, sending scores reports is expensive... 

I&#039;m glad I got a good score (115/ 120) and I&#039;m not taking this test ever again.

@Agnes - Yes, it is... too bad that&#039;s what bureaucrats do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Guillermo — Maybe it is actually! <img src='http://correresmidestino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  Well, that would explain the non-sense.</p>
<p>@Beth — I did try to bypass the first level employees (who seem to be students to me) and see the supervisor, but no luck so far. I talk to a few teachers and even they acknowledged the non-sense, but couldn’t do much to help, even after a few phone calls… because they were stuck administratively too. </p>
<p>@CM-Chap — I feel sorry for your friends, if I’m asked to start from scratch, I won’t go. I can’t financially anyway. </p>
<p>@Final_Transit — THank you for your feedback! For the TOEFL, I spoke to a very nice Indian student last year (he saw me smoking like crazing outside the uni. and came to me to ask what was wrong!). He told me he was asked the TOEFL and argued with the university (he spoke perfect English and had a Master) to not take it… and he was successful. </p>
<p>Now I don’t care because I did pass the TOEFL, I just wish they would realize that!</p>
<p>My French degrees are quite unique because I studied Chinese and Asian civilizations… even though it encompasses a lot of other classes, such as economy, history etc. the university is quite puzzled with them. I do hope I can get some credits!</p>
<p>@Bluefish — Thank you! Oui c’est… fucké? <img src='http://correresmidestino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Khengsiong — I heard American uni. are very very picky. Which I find is a paradox, because considering most tuition fees… I mean, financially speaking I’m sure a lot of people can’t even afford to go!</p>
<p>I think only North American universities have these kind of services, like official transcript, graduation ceremonies etc. They should be used to the fact we don’t!</p>
<p>@the writer — Oh yeah, and I had a lot of experience with that in France… unfortunately! </p>
<p>@beaverboosh — Merci! Did you go to university in Ottawa by any chance?</p>
<p>@Jennie — The TOEFL is a really stupid test. Lots of headache for… nothing. But TOEFL is a big business, the test is expensive, the books are expensive, sending scores reports is expensive… </p>
<p>I’m glad I got a good score (115/ 120) and I’m not taking this test ever again.</p>
<p>@Agnes — Yes, it is… too bad that’s what bureaucrats do!</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!! Looks like you went through a lot of trouble to get this thing done.  In India too you need to go through this stuff, but I guess its worse here.....much much worse.  I have seen people wait for their PAN card for a year (something like SIN).

@Priyank:  Some Indian universities now have the option of them sending the transcripts directly.  Thank God!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!! Looks like you went through a lot of trouble to get this thing done.  In India too you need to go through this stuff, but I guess its worse here.….much much worse.  I have seen people wait for their PAN card for a year (something like SIN).</p>
<p>@Priyank:  Some Indian universities now have the option of them sending the transcripts directly.  Thank God!!</p>
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